Tuesday, 2 April 2013

Understanding Bisohock Infinite's Ending - PART II Q&A (Further Ending Details)

Contains massive spoilers for Bioshock Infinite so if you haven't finished the game DO NOT read on. If you do, all will be ruined for you. You have been warned.



People have been tweeting, commenting and e-mailing me constantly with questions about Bioshock Infinite's ending and the actual plot too, so I thought I would save everyone the trouble of having to go to these lengths to try and get an response from me and just post my answers to commonly asked Questions here.

Before I start I also want to say 2 more things, the first being that I know I said I would answer comments in the original article and I tried, I really did, but nearly 100 comments on my blog and over 800 on Gamesbeat? Yeh, that, well, that is a little out of my league. I never thought it would get so big.

My second note is that I did get some MINOR details wrong. Jesus people quick to point things out when you get them wrong, so don't worry; all those little niggly bits I made mistakes on will also be resolved here. None of the things I got wrong were proper ending or overall plot details though so they were pretty irrelevant. Actually, I would like to point out that I am by no means Mr. Bioshock Infinite Plot Explainer Extraordinaire; I simply do and did understand the ending to the game and did a lot of research and decided to help all those confused out. I understand the ending; I do not get every little piece of the puzzle that may be to do with the game. I did mention that in the original article. So please do not expect me to be able to answer absolutely everything you throw at me. 

Oh, and before we begin (sorry for the delay); I am not going to go over details I already covered in the first feature; so if you have asked the same question over and over and not had a response, you might be missing something that was already explained. I've noticed a ton of comments asking questions or pointing out flaws with the plot that were already explained in great detail before.

OK, so let's do this!

QUESTIONS:

Question 1: Why was Comstock infertile and older than Booker if they are the same person and they existed within the same timeline?

Good question, however this is easily explained. Due to a lot of experimenting and things, Comstock became seriously ill and sterile. He also aged, or at least 'appeared to age' a lot faster.

Question 2: Wouldn't there be another universe made for if Booker HADN'T drowned? And another world made for if Comstock HADN'T made Columbia?

Another really common and really, really, really, really good question. 

This is difficult to answer and cannot, at least from me, be responded to with total certainty. 

First of all on the whole 'Another universe made for if he hadn't killed himself', I thought about this a lot, and I have so far come up with 2 theories.

1st Theory: As Elizabeth and Booker are in a sort of 'Limbo', in-between and going to and from memories, their decisions may not result in other worlds being made to accommodate the opposite decision, because they are not in a real place as such.

On top of that, when you take into account the fact that Elizabeth really shouldn't be able to tear (it is an unnatural ability) and the fact they should not, really, be able to go back to old memories and relive them, this might explain why other universes do not open for things they do in this 'Limbo'.

2nd theory: This one is actually really plot focused, so if it is true then it would change a lot to do with the story and how people view it.

What if there IS a universe created for if he hadn't drowned and then went on to become Comstock. This would actually explain a lot. 

So in the world he drowns in, he dies, then goes back to being with Anna in the world where he rejected the Baptism.

However, a universe is made for if he hadn't drowned, in which case Comstock still existed and went on to make Columbia. Then, say, that Comstock goes and steals/buys the baby from the Booker who did accept the drowning, and who died, then went back to being with Anna. 

It's a mind-f but one you should ponder. This would actually be really depressing but would explain the loop Booker goes. In fact, if this is the case, then there really is no way for the loop to end, ever.

One thing this wouldn't explain is what Booker and Elizabeth would do in the world where he didn't drown. What would happen? Would Booker just say 'I'm not doing this, drowning' and Elizabeth would answer 'OK....' and then what? They would just carry on living as excess in a world they don't belong in? That really makes no sense at all.

Onto the second question; is there not a world for if Comstock hadn't made Columbia and the answer is yes, yes there is. It is called the world where Booker rejects the Baptism.

No, seriously though, I get the question. What if he had accepted the Baptism and then NOT made Columbia, that is what you mean. I get that, but the thing is that you need to view the Baptism choice AS THAT choice. Like I said above, the other world where he rejects it IS the world where he doesn't make Columbia. Remember, Comstock is still Booker so saying 'What about a place where COMSTOCK didn't make Columbia' is basically saying 'What about a place where BOOKER didn't make Columbia' and there is; like I said before, it's the place where her rejects the Baptism.

Question 3: What broke the cycle of Booker going to save Elizabeth, and what made him keep going on a loop?

Another brilliant question that I am going to answer in a really short way. I don't know. I'm not a genius that knows everything but if you do have the answer please comment. After a lot of research I'm still in the dark about it.  

Question 4: What debt did Booker owe Comstock in the first place?

This is actually a really interesting point and one I still don't understand. In truth, unless Comstock and Booker had previously met or had crossed paths, it does not make sense for Booker to 'owe' him a debt. That said, this might be explained it one of the few Voxaphones I missed. 

Question 5: Who left the note for Booker on the Lighthouse door and who killed that man in the Lighthouse?

I believe, and I would like to thank Disqus user Uttrik for backing this up in the comment(s) he left on my Gamesbeat article, that the beginning part with the Lighthouse and even the part when he first enters the city in that massive church area and then gets Baptised, was all in his head. Those were some of the memories he invented for himself after he switched universes. Him entering the city, the note, the dead man; it was all in his head.

Question 6: What happened to Lady Comstock? Why was she so angry?

Comstock had her murdered because he knew she would reveal that baby Elizabeth was not her own child, thus discrediting her as an heir (even though, technically, she is biologically related to Comstock). He then blamed the servant, Daisy Fitzroy, who went on to lead the Vox.

I do not quite get why she was so angry at Elizabeth, after all, it wasn't HER fault she was abducted and that Comstock was infertile.

Question 7: Do the choices made affect the outcome or events of the story? Is there only one ending?

Asked frequently but easy as hell to answer, so I'll put this one to rest.

No and no. The game gives you the illusion of choice all the way through, making you think that what you are doing; who you are letting live and who you are killing, actually has an affect on the end result. But it doesn't because Booker has already been to Columbia over 100 times and those events do not change a thing.

Actually, it does make you think about the whole multi-universe thing though. After all, the opposite of what you choose yourself during the story then becomes an alternate world. Interesting.

Question 8: BUT WHAT ABOUT RAPTURE? DOESN'T THIS HAVE SOMETHING, LIKE, AWESOME TO DO WITH COLUMBIA AND COMSTOCK AND, AND, AND, ANNNNND OH MY GURRRD THIS IS MASSIVE?!....

OK OK OK OK, everyone slow the f**k down. Je-sus. There are so many comments and e-mails from people basically screaming conspiracy or hidden secrets and meanings and tie-ins and this and that and this and that and just slow down. Please.

OK. Deep breaths acknowledged. Now continue. 

A lot of the Rapture 'stuff' is personal interpretation. The game offers absolutely no solid confirmation or denial about people's theories.

That said, we can be realistic and use what we do know to come to an educated guess on how much it has to do with Infinite's story.

Realistically Rapture is not some sort of 'other worldly' Columbia. That makes no sense. No, Andrew Ryan is not actually Comstock/Booker and no Jack is not this person and that person is this person and all the rest. This also makes no sense because unless these characters teared into the Rapture world, they would not even live long enough to make Rapture themselves (Rapture was made in 1946 as opposed to when Infinite is set which is in 1912). 

A lot of these ideas I've read and received in my inbox are quite, well, outlandish and pretty crazy. I think people are buying into it way too much. Think of it like this: Rapture is just another world that exists within all of these universes. It is there to prove to the player that all Bioshock games from before, and from now on, are all connected by these tears and are all affected by the whole multi-universe thing. The next Bioshock will be a part of these worlds too and will have its own Lighthouses dedicated to it, and the decisions made by the characters that split it into multi-universes.

That is not to say Rapture is not, sneakily, relevant. 

In fact, it does have some relevance to the story. Or rather; to the finer details.

Fink used tears to see into the future and copied many things from the city of Rapture. He drew from the Big Daddies that protected the Little Sisters and made Songbird to protect Elizabeth in a similar way. He also drew from many of the technologies Rapture featured and made them a reality in Columbia.

That is, in my opinion at least, as far as Rapture's involvement with Infinite goes. Who knows, maybe it does go deeper, but I'm not buying into it all just yet. So far I haven't heard, or thought up, a theory very convincing. Still, you never do know. We still have the DLC to play don't we?

I do want to add in one thing, and this is something suggested, or rather pointed out by a couple of people, and this is that in Bioshock 1 only Andrew Ryan and his inner circle, as well as Jack (because he is Ryan's son), could use the Bathyspheres. This means, or at least people are saying it does, that because Booker activates the Bathysphere he and Elizabeth use after tearing into Rapture, he must be something to do with Rapture and its story.

The thing is that the Bathyspheres could be activated and used by anyone UNTIL the civil war broke out. Only then were they blocked from being used by anyone but Ryan himself and his inner circle. 

The Rapture we see in Infinite is a shabby, destroyed one. This means that things are not, well, good there. This could counter what I just said as the state of Rapture suggests that Booker uses the Bathysphere after the Civil war has started, however we can't be 100% certain of the date. I believe Elizabeth and Booker enter before Jack arrives, as the place where the Bathysphere Jack used is empty, suggesting he is not there yet.

Ultimately this is either one of three things. One: A plot hole. Two: An actual twist/conspiracy that was included on purpose and may be explored in later games or the DLC. Or Three: Booker and Elizabeth used the Bathysphere at a time before they were available only to Andrew Ryan and his inner circle.

EDIT: I have also realised that they may have teared into an alternate Rapture universe where Ryan did not stop the Bathyspheres from being used by normal people. This too is a possibility. 

Question 9: But what about a universe where Comstock died from choking on a pip or this happened and that happened and.....

People have been saying a lot that there must be other universes out there where random events happened, like Comstock dying from this or that or Booker doing that or this, and my answer to these ideas is this:

Random events are not accounted for. Another universe is NOT made for something random that might have happened. Only possible possibilities are accounted for.

So if you sat down for breakfast and wanted either cereal or toast, and you chose cereal, another world would be made for if you had chosen toast. Another world would not be created for if you ate bagels instead because that was never a considered possible possibility, even if you had a pack of bagels in your cupboard.

Another good example is this: 

Another universe would not be made to account for if you had randomly had a car crash and died or got inured, UNLESS you had a near miss or were actually in a crash in real life, in which case, as that was not only a possible possibility but an actual event, an alternate world would be made. The only time another universe opens is when there is a clear cut choice or a possible possibility of an event happening.

Unless Comstock almost did, actually, choke and die on a pip, then why would another universe be created for something that never, or could ever, have happened?

Question 10: Why doesn't slate realise, or recognise, that Comstock is Booker if they fought together? And how come Slate didn't question that Booker had come in from another universe?

We don't, as far as I know, know when Slate came to Columbia, so chances are he turned up when Comstock was already old looking and bearded. He probably didn't recognise him or realise it was him because not only did he look totally different but he was a totally different person too.

The second part is also easily answered. Slate didn't know that Booker HAD come in from another world. As he didn't know Comstock was Booker he no doubt thought that Booker was still out there in his normal form, so when the Booker from the other world came in and met him, he thought it was just good ol' Booker from his OWN world.

Question 11: Why don't Booker and Elizabeth just live in one of these other worlds forever instead of Booker drowning and stuff?

Elizabeth shouldn't be able to tear. It's an unnatural ability, as I mentioned earlier. Technically, as fate would have had it, her and Booker probably would've, and should've, been squished by Songbird at the end when he was racing towards them. That or he would have killed Booker and then Elizabeth would just have lived on until old age. Either way, they would have died in the world they were in.

If they went and teared into and lived in another world they would be like excess, not really belonging there as they should have stayed in the old world. 

HOWEVER I actually see a bit of a flaw with my answer. Well, more the game than my answer.

If they can't survive in another world, how did Booker survive in the Columbia world when the Lutece twins brought him into it? This contradicts what I said above and confuses me. If you understand it then please comment your explanation.

Got more Questions? Comment them and what you think in the comments!!!


POINTS:


Point 1: Booker killed Indians, not African-Americans

Yep, I get it. He killed Indians, not African-Americans. I actually answered one of the comments pointing this out and the guy got really heated over it, which I don't get. This doesn't even have any affect on the plot, so chill out. 

But yeah, for the record I was wrong in the first feature; Booker killed Indians at Wounded Knee NOT African-Americans.

Point 2: Elizabeth can tear because she lost her finger in another universe 

This one was pointed out to me a lot of times too. So apparently she can tear because she was both experimented on by the Lutece twins but also, mainly, because she lost her pinkie in another world. 

Point 3: By the way, you spelled Lutece wrong throughout half the article. And there are also other spelling mistakes in there...

I've already explained this one A LOT but I'm going to go ahead and do it again. 

The spelling in my Gamesbeat version of the original ending explanation article was horrid, while my blog version is/was fine. This is because I accidentally copied and pasted the WRONG draft (2nd draft) to Gamesbeat, not the final draft.

When I write an article on my blog, I write it all out and finish it and then that is the first draft. It has plenty of mistakes in it and is the base of the article. 

Then I use a simple spelling and grammar corrector to save myself some time and point out some of the flaws with it to me. However this is very inconsistent and does not point out all spelling issues.

Once that is done, I now have the SECOND draft, which has been ridded of its main issues but not all of them. This is the version of the first article I put on Gamesbeat, by accident. 

Then I proof read it a few times, correct any remaining mistakes and finish it up. This is the third, final, draft. The one I publish (normally).

Point 4: There was 1 Elizabeth left at the end, not all of them did disappear

OK so not all of them disappeared, my bad. It still would make minimal sense for her to still exist at the end if there was no Comstock so I stick by what I said before.

That said, if my earlier theory is correct in that there WAS another Universe made where Booker didn't drown and Comstock was still alive, that would explain this. 

Point 5/Slash Question 12: Why do you think this and that and whatever?

What? Why were people questioning my own opinion on the actual game and not the story? I thought the characters were incredible. I liked the game. That has nothing to do with the ending. Why do you even care? If you want to question my opinion do it on my actual review of the game, but the ending explanation? People be crazy.

Point 6: "This article is terribly written and horribly researched. Please hire some editors. Thanks bunches."

No, thank you Disqus user hoopleton for making me laugh. First of all the article was poorly written, you were right. Because it was the wrong draft as I did say in the comments of the article on Gamesbeat (where this comment was) myself. Obviously your research on this matter wasn't great either.

Also, 'horribly researched'? Nice, I like your own 3,000 word explanation. Oh, you don't have one? Shame, I was looking forward to nitpicking that one too... 

Oh and I like the way you don't actually point out what was poorly researched, so you are not even giving basis to your argument.

And 'Thanks Bunches'? For what? I didn't do anything - or anything you liked anyway. You clearly dislike my article and don't care for me so why are you thanking me? YOUR LOGIC MAKES NO SENSE. I'M SO CONFUSED.

Don't be so angry, hoopleton. Relax. Chill. Go on holiday or something.

There you have it. My answers to the most frequently asked questions I get and a response to many points made by people in the comments on the article. Remember to keep posting your opinions and ideas in the comments! Thanks to everyone who read the first article, commented, tweeted, followed me, liked it on facebook, shared it on Google+ and basically supported it and me. Thank you. 

I hope I helped some of you out with your questions and, yeah, remember guys (especially you hoopleton) Chill out and PEACE!

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  2. One thing I should point out about this multiverse theory.
    All the universes in a multiverse exist at the same time. Another one is not created when you choose to do something. They all exist at the same time and they do differ when it comes to choices/events but they are just not simply "created".
    I used the word "time" quite lightly there but I hope that you'll get what I mean.
    At the end, you see the endless lighthouses which present all the different realities. and those stars in the sky? Also "lighthouses" which present the same thing.
    All things considered, there EXISTS a reality where Comstock choked on is pipe. There is nothing that would point out otherwise.

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    1. The Comstocks that didn't go on to create Columbia aren't the ones the game care about. The Comstocks that jump dimensions and take Elizabeth are the ones that the game cares about.

      Focusing on the Comstocks that aren't irrelevant doesn't help explain the end of the story.

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    2. That Comstock choked on is pipe is irrelevant, because there will still be infinite universes where it doesn't happen. Like when Booker drowns Comstock in the water: Elizabeth says that Comstock is still alive in infinite universes.

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    3. I also imagine there's a universe where Booker becomes Comstock and never creates Columbia because he never meets Lutece (either because Lutece is dead, makes decisions that ensures they never meet or Lutece never makes her/his discovery and therefore becomes irrelevant) or they meet and Lutece tells him to take a hike.

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    4. Disclaimer: All of what follows comes from my own understanding of the game's many possible explanations.

      There are also bits that Elizabeth says at the end that there are "constants and variables" in each universe, meaning that, no matter what universe you are talking about, certain events happen in each one of them.

      Examples: Booker DeWitt ALWAYS sells Anna to pay off his debts (if you look on the desk there are horse-race betting slips, etc.)

      In the very beginning of the game, one of the Luteces (who are rowing the boat) say "He DOESN'T row." which means that, in every reality they have set up in which Booker is in the boat with them, he simply will not assist them in rowing the boat. Just another CONSTANT they talk about.

      In worlds where Booker accepts the baptism and becomes Comstock, Columbia is ALWAYS created and he ALWAYS interacts with the Luteces.

      All this being said this game was AWESOME and had one of the best intros (walking up a lighthouse, the sky lights up, and you board a freaking ROCKET SHIP which takes you to this amazing view of a gorgeous setting) and the best ending of (dare I say it...) ANY game I've played.

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    5. I agree with Pickaxe here. Comstock = Columbia is one of the constants unfortunately. One example that he didn't mention is the coin flip. 122 iterations and each time it is heads. The flip is a constant. The choice of the pendant however is a variable as the Luteces express a bit of surprise at that one.

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    6. all this is really interesting but the fact in my eyes remains the game uses a lot of symbolism related to real life religious and political groups , especially for the current times as religion and freedom is being overpowered by all this illuminati and new world order caper and hidden messages e.t.c... Bioshock in my opinion leaves you to decide if there is meaning in the images/symbols and I think the point of certain symbols in the game like the all seeing eye and the triangles/pyramids is to open your eyes to what is happening in society as we speak - very cleaver story , mint graphics and quite scary at some points! but all that makes up for the rather average gameplay

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    7. ^Booo This man. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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    8. I agree with pickaxe. The problem with a story that focuses on time travel or alternate universes is that we don't understand those things ourselves, as we can't currently do them. Bioshock: Infinite limits itself with the possibilities by creating these "constants" that Elizabeth mentions, things that always happen in every universe. Also, Max, with your point about the pendant choice being a surprise emphasizes that this time, Booker is not stuck in the loop and will succeed in freeing Elizabeth. The Luteces are so sure that he will pick the other because that's the one he's always picked. Him picking the other pendant symbolizes that something has changed.

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  3. Random events are involved in the multiverse theory.
    Everything that happens IS random. But "random", what does it mean? Everything that happens is because of something. When we can not trace the cause or we're too lazy to, we use the word "random" to decribe the effect. Flip a coin. The outcome is "random" but only in a sense where we do not go into detail: what forces affect the coin and is the coin perfectly balanced on both sides have an effect on the outcome.
    What I would call closest to random is the case Lutece. They are basically the same person with only one chromosome to distinguish them from each other.

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    1. Agreed, in the standard model these days anything that CAN happen DOES happen in a new universe. However this game doesn't seem to follow the main model completely. It seems to follow that any CHOICE will create a new universe which I guess is close to basically saying that things won't branch until someone observes a probability wave and collapses it by making a choice. Then a new universe springs into being where the opposite collapse occurs. The coin flip isn't a choice (you choose what you want but not what it lands on so you can have a new universe with the other choice but not the Tails landing). The pendant however is a choice so there would be a new universe for that one.

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    2. I agree, for my understanding usually the observation is enough to collapse the wave, but also not the universes of the game, the wave does not collapse until a choice is made.

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  4. Ultimately, there is a reality where Booker's parents died of cancer and Booker and Comstock never existed.

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  5. Great article. Came over from Venture Beat.

    Question 4: What debt did Booker owe Comstock in the first place?
    Comstock paid off Booker's debt to someone else. That's as far as that goes.

    Question 6: What happened to Lady Comstock? Why was she so angry?
    This is answered in the game. The Siren is actually something that Elizabeth created. It's a projection of her thoughts about her false mother.

    For the questions about Rapture dimension, the multi-verse is vast. I am sure Elizabeth found one where they could use the Bathesphere.

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    1. Hey thanks man; for the feedback and for coming to my blog! Really appreciate it.

      Also, thank you for answering those questions! I too was confused by them and not able to answer them, so thank you for clearing that up!!!

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    2. Question 4: What debt did Booker owe Comstock in the first place?
      Comstock paid off Booker's debt to someone else. That's as far as that goes.

      I think that the debt Comstock and Lutece talks about is referred to the Wounded Knee fact. Booker thought Lutece was talking about the gambling debts (sorry for my english, I'm italian).
      So, in this case we can say "debt = sins". Comstock feel as if he repayed is debts with the baptism, but Booker can only gives away the girl, helping Comstock. When Lutece takes Anna and close the door, it's very clear that monetary debts are not repaid at all. For this reason I think that Booker never actually made it. He never paied the monetary debts. Or maybe he payed without the help of Lutece. That's why is life has been a shit for 20 years.

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    3. Great comment man and I totally agree! I couldn't have said it better myself!

      By the way, you're English is perfect! No problem there man!=D

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    4. YOU'RE English is perfect? Pretty sure you meant YOUR. You're = you are, ALWAYS. You are English is perfect? That does not make sense.

      Choo Choo! Hear that, kids? That's the sound of the irony train a rolling in, lol...

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    5. Brutal you completely missed the sarcasm. It is harder to detect in text than in sound but still - it's not that hard in this case.

      Good job being a douche, though.

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    7. I don't believe that I missed anything. Michael Kyle is not that good of a writer. He even admits that; he mentions in the blog article above that he has to use spell-check and proofread his work many times. With that being the case, I don't find it hard to believe that he'd be one of the numerous people who don't understand the proper uses of the words "your" and "you're".

      On the flip side, if you're right and he was indeed being sarcastic, then would that not make him a douche-bag as well?

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    8. Actually that was a simple mistake on my part. No sarcasm. I'm not a nasty or sarcastic person. I have had to respond to a lot of comments (there's over 1,000 on the GamesBeat version of this article) and sometimes, mainly when I'm tired, I slip up and make a mistake like putting 'you're' not 'your'. Don't crucify me for it for God's sake.

      Anyway I do want to quickly say that proof reading and using a basic spell checker is normal, Brutal. I know journos who pay monthly fees to use specialist checkers so...

      If you ever send in work like this to an editor you'll know you have to proof read it a bazillion times and spell check like crazy or you're bollocked. Luckily this is my blog so I can screw up all I want so I don't really give a crap lol

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    9. Also Brutal I find it extremely patronising that you don't think I know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. I don't like the way you are a total dick about it all too. I don't want to be rude but either clean up your attitude or fuck off of my blog because I don't want arseholes on here. Thanks.

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    10. Ok, whatever man. I just don't understand how people can screw that one up if they understand the difference. Not understanding it is one thing, but if you do understand it I feel like it should be natural. It is for me anyway. I just mentally process you're as "you are".

      And sorry, I wasn't trying to imply that you were a TERRIBLE writer or an idiot. You get your ideas across. I was just saying that spelling and grammar aren't necessarily your strong suits (by your own admission), so it's conceivable to me that you could have messed up "you're" versus "your" and likely weren't being sarcastic.

      Did you see my post further on down here?

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    11. As I said; when I made the comment I was tired and had been working a lot. I've been responding to a lot of comments and I just made a simple mistake. It's no problem though.

      Also, while I am no means the best writer, I'm not exactly bad, otherwise I wouldn't have had articles promoted on Gamesbeat by the editors as well as multiple pieces of work promoted by Paperblog. I'm not trying to be arrogant or up my own backside (I am not like that at all) and admittedly this isn't my best piece as I rushed it out and I respect your opinion, however when it comes to writing I do know grammar and spelling and I feel I have proved myself to be good enough in this field due to the extremely positive response I've had from readers, popular journalists and websites. I actually had someone e-mail me noting the over casual style of my articles as if it was a bad thing, however as I learned when entering this genre of writing; being extremely casual, easy to read and conversational is a must for gaming and tech journos. You'll almost always find the writing of video games (especially in blogs) far more causal and often clumsy than real, professional newspapers or news websites.

      Anyway, thanks for contributing in the comments section regarding your thoughts on the Bioshock Infinite ending, unfortunately I am not able to respond to many comments due to the vast volume that are posted.

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    12. Yes, I agree. I prefer reading the more conversational style of writing myself.

      As for my post, basically I was just pointing out a few things that you had left unanswered in this article that actually were pretty definitively confirmed in game...

      -Booker's debts were due to gambling; he confirms this himself in a conversation with Elizabeth

      -Elizabeth's powers DEFINITELY come from her finger being severed and NOT the experiments; this is confirmed by a Lutece voxophone; they expirements and torture that were done to her were done to limit her powers and to indoctrinate her in to Comstock's way of thinking so she could eventually become his heir

      Also, in regards to Lady Comstock, she's angry at Elizabeth because she's partly a reflection of Elizabeth's feelings towards her. She's a projection composed of Lady Comstock from a different universe AND Elizabeth's own feelings of resentment towards her for abandoning her.

      It took me two playthroughs to fully understand that. I found her dialogue very hard to understand...

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    13. You misspelt "the", "experiments" in your second point ;)

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  6. This is a good read. Question 3 you said you didnt know. I'm pretty sure in every other loop the Songbird stopped him, whereas in this one a really old Elizabeth made a tear and gave him a note for herself.

    I'm fairly certain (since tears screw up these loops and seem to exist outside of the system) that this was the first and only time she'd chose to make this tear and help Booker.

    Sorry if this has already been said, I haven't read all the comments.

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    1. Thanks for the comment man! And no, it hadn't already been said. I think you are right about the tear thing, definitely. Tears aren't really scripted, are they. They're random, so this could definitely, like you also said, have been stopped by him meeting the old Elizabeth.

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    2. (Bear in mind when I talk about time, precedence and infinity I mean it in the multiverse timeline that is e.g. from the Luteces' POV)
      The way I see it the circle was never supposed to be infinite. For every universe whose Liz was broken by Comstock and in her later years opened a tear there was another universe whose Booker was then given the instructions and whose Liz was saved which resulted in them entering the multiverse (these are all the pairs we see in the lighthouses scene).
      The player's Booker is the one transported by the first Liz. He isn't the first to be guided by the Luteces but he's the first to be given the chance to erase Comstock.

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  7. So my question is, if the twins are not twins that they are different versions of themselves; how can that ever happen? If the quarter always lands on heads wont "they" always be born as a girl?

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    1. Hi, thanks for your comment. I am slightly confused by your question, however. The whole coin flipping thing is not representative of anything to do with the Lutece twins and rather shows how many times Booker has been to Columbia on a loop. I'm not sure if that answers your query, however be sure to comment again with more information if you are still unsure:D

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    2. so if it is only choices that causes a change, not things of chance, like flipping that coin always lands heads, picking a random ball is always number 77. Then how can the sex of a baby be different in one reality than in others. It is not a choice thing it is random, kind of.

      I guess my not understanding of Quantum Mechanics really leads to this question, do races create different realities where everyone wins. Because i thought the branches in reality happen when you make a choice and then another reality is created where you made the other choice.

      In a race (sperm i'm talking about sperm) you just run there are no choices, yes choosing to be in the race would change the outcome but i am talking about the people in the race.

      the "twins" would always be born a girl because there is no choice it just is, like flipping the coin, no matter how many times you flip it at that moment in time across all realities it will land heads.

      i am probably thinking about this to much

      and thanks for the reply and your articles i thought they were great.

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    3. I suspect that the other Lutece being man and other being woman is more of a story element than anything else.

      If it we're like car race, there would be choices made but in sperm race I'm with you on that. And Luteces are so similar that they end each others sentences, and in that sense think alike that the gender should be only difference in them, if it would be another sperm cell that had won the race, the Lutece would be much more different. All and all I flag for the story element flag.

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    4. Hey Jason, thanks very much for your awesome feedback and comment too! Your question admittedly has me stumped and without a proper answer, however I think Jyrki has a point. That said, maybe there was an issue when the Lutece's were kids; for instance, there was a chance that they could have been transgender, or been a boy or girl instead. I honestly don't know haha sorry!

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    5. It could very well be based on the moment of conception. Without going to into depth lets say their conception was valentines day. female lutece is from a vday where they waited until after dinner. In male luteces universe his parents said screw dinner and got right to it. That in and of itself could result in a different gender. There is probably a universe with a female booker and a male elizabeth.

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    6. but that is not the same child, they would just be normal siblings at best not doing the exact same job, dress the same and finish each other sentences. This is what she says

      "You have been transfused, brother, into a new reality, but your body rejects the cognitive dissonance through confusion and hemorrhage. But we are together, and I will mend you. For what separates us now, but a single chromosome?"

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    7. I was thinking about this too. I mean, if the Luteces could be either male or female, then presumably there are universes where Elizabeth is a boy and Booker is a woman. None of which would actually change anything in the story, except that, for the time in which it is set, it's rare for a woman to have fought like Booker did.

      BUT for the Luteces to be either male or female it can’t be based on chance (as chance always goes the same way: e.g. the coin toss), it has to be a choice. Somehow the exact same sperm cell must exist in two versions – 1 carrying XX and 1 carrying XY, with all other genes being the same. This is the only way to create the “same” person. Two different sperm, one with XX and one with XY would produce actual sister and brother, not the same person with a different gender.

      SO, the sperm must have either XX or XY, be the same sperm AND this must be a result of a choice made, not by chance. But even though it will be a choice, the choice will not matter, they will still be set on exactly the same path.

      So:

      The selection of genes contained within any given sperm and ovum is a product of chance. Therefore every time the Luteces’ parents made love (at this conception point), the same sperm and ovum have grown and come together (the coin was heads every time). The same sperm must also always win (assuming sperm can’t make choices, though even if they could, it should still result in the same story) because it is based on the best sperm, which is determined by genes, which are determined by chance. So the sperm race is by chance (which is always the same – heads every time).

      How do we then have different sex chromosomes? It is not proven in science, but is speculated that different foods can affect the chemical balance within the sex organs and thus influence which sex chromosome is in the majority of the sperm. Many people deliberately eat certain foods to try and influence their baby’s sex. Assuming that this actually works, the Luteces’ parents would have chosen what sex they wanted and therefore what foods to eat. Therein lies the CHOICE we have been looking for.

      This also means that if Booker and his parents never bothered making this CHOICE, his and Elizabeth’s sex is always based on chance and therefore always the same.

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    8. Oh wow. Assuming the parents' choice didn't influence anything else in their lives (since it would most likely result in different gametes forming the child) it's a great hypothesis.

      As for the Luteces finishing each other sentences etc. I'm pretty sure it's a result of their tear travelling.

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    9. This potentially could be explained in the story by a couple of the Lutece recordings:

      057: One and the Same - "You have been transfused, brother, into a new reality, but your body rejects the cognitive dissonance through confusion and hemorrhage. But we are together, and I will mend you. For what separates us now, but a single chromosome?"

      064: On the Entropy of Genes " - Comstock seems to have been made sterile by simple exposure to our contraption. A theory: just as sexual reproduction can de-emphasize the traits of each parent, so goes the effect of multiple realities on our own. Your traits dissipate, until they become unrecognizable, or cease to exist."

      I would assume Comstock's interaction with the contraption was more limited than that of Lutece herself, so if it has such effects on the mind of those affected by it and the body of Comstock it could have altered one of the versions of Lutece to be male, and this was simply accepted as confusion and dissonance are common side effects, so why try to reason it out?

      LOL, or it could be in one universe she chose to be a lesbian and eventually had a sex change and talked lower. :D

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    10. No, guys, I figured it out. The mother of the Letuces chose to eat apples or watermelons and when she chose to eat lots of apples, the child turned out to be a boy and when she ate lots of watermelons, the child was a girl.
      This is, of course, all Sims 3 based speculation.

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    11. Hahahahahahaha @Caitlin, that was priceless. I think you cracked it though :')

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    12. What if this was seriously the idea behind the Luteces though :')

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    13. Then as shallow as that is I think Ken Levine is an even bigger legend :') haha

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    14. This may just be ramblings, but your blog has really helped me think about things. This might just be a shortcoming of the game where they had no explanation and needed the characters, but this is my theory...

      I think Voxophone 57 is onto something. Just as Booker created new memories when he was brought into Comstock's universe, The Luteces created justification for their identical existence in the same universe by saying their siblings/twins.

      This might be pushing it as as one of the voxophones talks about Comstocks aging, but the aging could also be justification for their being two Bookers in the same universe and thus the ability to perceive one Lutece as male and another as female.

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    15. To not give myself a headache from the endless possibilities I solved the issue with the Luteces being this:

      Elizabeth told Booker something along the lines of in every world/lighthouse everything is the same except there is something different. In her saying that I just took it as since the Luteces are the same person then the thing that is different is their sex.

      Does that make sense?

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    16. I didnt read all but I have a good theory: mabye they were twins but there was a problem and they had to choose to abort the girl or the boy.

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  8. Great Explanation on here and the one posted on Venturebeat, my comment is on if there were another universe created where Booker HADN'T drowned and one where he DID drown, my theory would be that the universe where he does drown basically overrides the one where he didn't. It's a loose theory but I guess it basically comes down to if you want a optimistic happy ending or pessimistic depressing one. Also on the idea of Comstock NOT creating a Columbia you could argue that he was never asked to create a Columbia, by USA(because the game is based on the idea of possible possibility), and went on to live his life and had a Child that's a Boy and named it Ryan....

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    1. but he did not really choose to drown, he was drowned by the elizabeths. the Booker we saw chose to accept it and died, and i bet there would be one that would try and fight back. But that was not going to happen, they were ending that line he was going to die regardless of his choice.

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    2. I am betting that because they were existing outside of time and space they went back in time to the period where the split was made. By allowing OUR Booker through the door into the past he had the memories of OUR Booker but also acted as old booker. His forced drowning by the Elizabeths effectively cut the tree of possibilities off at the root leaving his timeline a tree cut off halfway through instead of a fully furnished tree of Bookers and Comstocks. That way the only thing that would exist in all realities about Booker would be choices leading up to the baptism. The post credits scene is probably a Booker who never became a Pinkerton therefore he never felt the need for a baptism therefore he existed in a different limb of time/space and is unaffected by the existential hackjob the elizabeths performed.

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    3. The state of "new Booker's" apartment suggests his life hasn't been too different from the player's Booker's (except for still having Anna of course).

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    4. Which means you have to wonder what type of life Anna will have with Booker seeing as she has no mother and he is still, presumably, a drunk and a gambler who has no memory of the epic events of Columbia etc.

      And now I’m devastated. :(

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    5. I'm pretty sure he did retain his memories judging by his reaction in the scene after credits.

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    6. That's true! I feel better now. :)

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    7. I agree with Master of U (cool name by the way) in that he DID remember. After all, besides his after credit reaction he was still Booker, and he may have retained his memories from the other universes. I think you can easily interpret the ending as sad just as much as you can happy, however when you have the option between the two, it's probably best to pick the happy one. Everyone loves happy endings, right? =)

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  9. In the end where the Elizabeths vanish one after another when Booker dies, every time Elizabeth disappears there's a piano key played and althought one Elizabeth seems to stay, the screen goes black with a piano key played, to me it seems the last Elizabeth vanishes then. (That's how I remember it at least)

    And to the loop breaking I think it as trial and error kind of thing. Like in the "last battle" of the movie Next, he makes the loop until it gets right. First round he could have been killed by the police in the "wedding", and althought he doesn't know what happened in the previous loop, he gets better at it (please take this theory to the next level someone =D). And there are always the Lutece who guide Booker and Elizabeth, they had chances to trial and error the situation.

    About the original Bioshock theories. I think that the Rapture is just a future in different universe. There are similarities, but only because of it's a game series (Elizabeth/Little sisters, Songbird/Big Daddies, Booker/Jack, Comstock/Ryan) and the creators wanted it to feel little familiar. Althought I like the scenario Anonymous in previous reply paints. =D And why wouldn't that be a possibility, it's a multiverse. =D

    The quantum fysics and the multiverse is so mindblowing thing to work in our brains, and more so when we introduce it with a mechanic of tears and controlling these tears and the multiverse, that I think we just have to buy the story what the games creators give us in Comstock never coming to be. I buy it now, althought the DLC might prove me wrong. And I kind of hope it will.

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  10. I don't know if it's been mentioned earlier, but I just noticed that in the last scene with multiple Elizabeths, none of them have the gage or bird thing in her neck so Elizabeth didn't come with Booker throught that last door. And I think that Booker also notices this because he is saying something like "You're not... You're not... Who are you?". I don't think this is very meaningful thought, maybe that Elizabeth just didn't want to see Booker dying or something like that.

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    1. Maybe its to avoid the paradox of killing yourself. Instead, you get a fellow dimensionally challenged person to do it. Ie. a second her in the same situation but from different circumstances.

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    2. I read the confusion of Booker at that point as the tip-off of what actually happened on that last door-opening: the perspective shifts away from player-Booker to that of the original Booker before he first accepted the first baptism. That's the Booker who has to die, after all, in order to (as Elizabeth says) "make it so that Comstock never even lived in the first place" (or words to that effect).

      That's the branching point beyond which all of the Comstocks in all the million-million universes come into being. If that original Booker is prevented from making that decision, all of the Comstocks (and by proxy, all of the Elizabeths) will be prevented from existing.

      But that's not the Booker we've been playing as... it's the original Booker. Notice how Elizabeth says that "this is different"? I think the confusion is arising for the same reason that Chen Lin was confused, and the other characters that were "remembering" their own deaths: there was an overlap of the original Booker's mind (whose perspective we're using now instead of player-Booker) and the thoughts and memories of the Booker we've been playing through the game.

      I just wish, for confirmation's sake, that when the Elizabeths drowned him, we would have seen a bit of blood trailing off into the water, because I'm pretty sure he had a nosebleed at that moment.

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  11. Garbage....missed the point by a mile

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    1. I'm sorry, missed what point? You aren't.... hoopleton are you?:O

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  12. I agree with most of what you said, but think you're limiting things.

    Elizabeth says there's always a girl, always a man, and always a lighthouse, so I believe this opens up (one of the inifite possibilities) where the man is Jack, and the girl is all of the little sisters. (elizabeth is even dressed like the little sisters)

    This game ended the Comstock branch, so in Booker's universes he now has Anna, but doesn't affect EVERY universe.

    There is ALWAYS a man, ALWAYS a girl, and ALWAYS a lighthouse. That is constant. Who they are and how it ends, is variable.

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    1. sorry but actually its always a man, always a CITY, and always a lighthouse.

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  13. http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Anna_Culpepper

    The picture is kind of familiar, and she made a song called "Ryan's songbird".

    =D

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    1. Nice spot! Didn't see that! Very interesting indeed.

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    2. It's a bit far fetched that Anna Culpepper and Anna Booker would be the same person, but I think that this is still intentional as a easteregg kind on thing.

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    3. There is also Sofia Lamb who could represent what elizabeth would become as "the Lamb" and the little sisters caretaker/creator could be a stand in for the female lutece

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  14. Two things I don't quite agree with you on:

    1. (Question 11) I'm convinced the only obstacle to Booker and Liz just going on with their lives in whichever universe was strictly a moral one. In fact Booker suggested leaving other worlds to their own fate on numerous occasions something that Liz could never accept (I imagine it got worse once she recovered her powers and with them her insight into the multiverse).

    2. (Point 4) Although I don't think the significance of this particular scene is that the "original" Liz will continue to exist I would seriously consider the possibility. It's apparent that the rules of the multiverse do not apply to "tear travellers" e.g. the Luteces who seem to exist in a timeline and causality of their own.

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    1. While I still stand by my original answer to question 11, I see what you are saying to do with point 4. That said, as people have pointed out: at the end there is a piano key/note played for every Elizabeth that disappears, then, after the screen goes black before we see what happens to the final Elizabeth, a final piano key plays, suggesting she did disappear from the scene but we just didn't see it. Kind of made it more eerie.

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    2. This implies that although "tear travellers" are unaffected by changes to their original universe they can be erased by a general change (such as erasing Comstock in all universes). It also means that the Luteces were erased in the process as well :(

      It still bugs me that they don't show the one Liz disappear though. I understand the symbolism of the piano keys but an old movie rule says that if you didn't see him die he didn't die. People have a good point comparing this game to Inception with the way it ends and all.

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    3. Despite Multiversal residents not being affected by general changes they WOULD be affected by changes to their own history. If they were not it would create a paradox and wipe out everything. them being erased is the only option. A paradox infected limb of the multiverse is most likely completely wiped out like a gangrenous limb is cut off the host body to save the majority.

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    4. The Luteces weren't too fazed by their own deaths.

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    5. I took the screen going black as not just the last Elizabeth disappearing, but that entire branch of reality. As if to signify that with the erasing of all versions of Elizabeth, the associated realities collapsed into nothingness.

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  15. Hallo friend !!

    I just read your conclusion and explanation about bioshock infinite ending and is quite interesting and you make many questions that I had through the whole game through ,clear to me !!
    Though there is something that you don't mention here
    Why does booker and other enemies nose bleed ?
    Is it the outcome of time traveling ?

    I will be very happy if you could answer this
    Sofoklis

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    1. Hi, thanks very much for your positive feedback and taking the time to read my content!

      About your question: this is not really made clear in the game. I agree with many comments that it could be to do with, as you said, time travel and the fact that these people are going from universe to universe through Tears (Comstock did, after all, have an illness due to a similar thing). It could also be the massive confusion and contradicting memories that they have. In the E3 gameplay that was not included in the actual game, Elizabeth creates massive tears that cause her pain and as a result her nose bleeds. I think it is definitely related to them tearing here there and everywhere, I'm just not sure in what way.

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    2. It has something to do with memories....Because at the end Booker bleeds from his nose and he tries to convince himself that he remembers, I think this was explained by Liz when you first enter a tear and you go see Chen Lin she says "Maybe in some way he remembers dying in that cell. How would you reconcile that?" It's them trying to process memories from different dimensions at the same time due to the fact that Liz merges dimensions together.

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  16. I'm italian and this explanation really helped me! The funny thing is that all the italian explanations really sucks, so I have to read this, but I'm really happy I had to! It's really a great job!

    Now, about Question 2 and Question 3.
    I think it's simple. As you say, alternate universes exists only where exists a choice. The baptism is a choice, so we have Booker and Comstock. The Anna thing isn't a choice, because Comstock and Lutece will always take her from Booker. The Songbird that kills Booker isn't a choice, for this reason there aren't universes where it doesn't happen, and in fact Elizabeth says "Songbird ALWAYS stops you".
    Elizabeth drowning Booker isn't a choice. Even if Booker say "No! Don't do this!", she will drowns him, no matter what. When she drowns Booker, they are in the "Comstock dimension", not the Booker dimension. When Booker died in that dimension, all the Bioshock Infinite facts are erased, so the cycle (that you mentioned in the Question 3) is broken because it never really happaned.

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    1. What i tink is almost it, but i have something to add. In the game, near the end, young Elizabeth discover how to stop the songbird attempts to prevent Booker from taking her away through the tips gave to her from herself in other probably future, in wich one's Booker dies (and he died so many times as counted by Lutece). But this time with our help Booker try's get to a point that he have the oportunity to save young Elizabeth by meeting one version of her in the future and getting the tip about the songbird.Someone must already said something like that before. I totally agree with you when you say that there's only one relevant choice and it's about accepting or no the baptism.

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  17. Hi Michael !

    I agree that the reason for nose -bleeding wasn't clear to me at all on my first game through , still i believe that it is related to timetravel for somehow , now I started it again on hard level and I m paying more attention on dialogues and voxphones ..thanks for the Info about comstock illness I hadn't noticed , I ll come back with new questions and things to discuss

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  18. I have a question: when Booker is on the verge of death, he awakens in the office of the Pinkerton agency. I don't understand the meaning of this, maybe you already explained but I readed all what you write and I still don't get it! Maybe it's my english...
    And, in that office, how could Booker see New York in flames at the beginning of the game? Maybe it's related with that theory about the beginning of the game as a memory created by Booker?
    And, sorry, just another think: when you try to jump off, from a Columbia's building to the earth below, in the sky, what happens? I don't think it's just some game respawns. Irrational Games never do that things. How could be explained?
    Thanks.

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    1. Explanation to Booker seeing the New York in flames could stem from the time travel thingy, in other universe he has already seen it happen, so the memory could be in his head, and for some reason he sees it although in his universe it's yet to happen.
      The Jumping-From-Columbia could just be explained by the multiverse theory. If there's a universe for every choice you make, then the game may just continue from the universe where you decided not to jump, and in other universe you die.



      Or I may be wrong :D

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  19. So I Am reading about the nose bleeds.. I wasn't sure if it was because he was lying or in denial when things about his past keep coming up and his nose starts to bleed. but anywho.. i have a few questions
    1. when the tears come up.. most of them don't come up during a deciding factor.. like when mr len died, did that tear appear as if he had lived? But even then he knew he had died? which brings me to my next question..
    2.) why were the people that were dead come alive (with nose bleeds) but remember that they were dead? or they remember they were in 2 different worlds? ( I didn't can't what that guard was saying after coming from mr. chens cell)
    3) Do you think booker is having nose bleeds because he too is supposed to be dead? or because its part of the illness from tear hoping? because daisy was saying that he had died and that was impossible.. then his nose started bleeding.

    sorry I am all over the place with my questions.. this game was soo confusing.. thanks for the blog it did bring the ending together for me though.. I might have to replay and keep all these comments in mind.. that would change the game play for me for sure!!

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    1. "The mind of the subject will desperately struggle to create memories where none exist..."
      ―Rosalind Lutece, Barriers to Trans-Dimensional Travel, 1889

      Desperately struggle. So it's not the death in a parallel universe that cause the nose bleeding, but any memory. Generally, it's just nose bleeding, like when Booker remember, slowly, his past. If the memory in question is a death, then it's most traumatic. I think that the superimposition of memories is due by the Siphon. Without the Siphon, the Booker's nose bleeding stops, even if the memories keep coming up.

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    2. but there is a difference because Booker is going between them, these people are staying in their own world. Typing this i wonder if Elizabeth has something thing to do with them remember something form a parallel life.


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    3. Now that I think about it, Daisy Fitzroy, Jeremiah Fink and other people don't remember at all the events of the other dimension. Maybe because you can remember minor events only if solicited, and that's the Booker's case. I think that if Elizabeth and Booker had gone in another dimension where Comstock is alive (after killing him on The Hand of the Prophet), they would have seen him squirm and nose bleeds.

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  20. There is no debt, it is his brains way of adapting to the situation he can't understand. Which is the point of the quote in the beginning saying "The mind of the subject will desperately struggle to create memories where none exist"- R. Lutece.

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    1. This explains the "debt" as you begin the game on the boat, but not the initial "debt" in which Booker gives Anna as a baby to Comstock so he can groom her into Elizabeth.

      My theory on that is that he knows Booker's lifestyle choices, so Comstock scams Booker somehow so that he must repay him, but as that's not super significant to the plot, the developers left it out and up for interpretation.

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  21. Love the article. Love the discussion.

    My contribution is to focus on the concept of "constants... and variables." Like your breakfast choice example, there are options, but there are not infinite options, right? Some constants control things. Some things are inevitable in some universes because of whatever complex equations govern the outcomes based on the inputs.

    In my mind, then, drowning Booker was setting a variable to a constant. The infinite number of solutions to X + Y = 1 suddenly collapsed because Y was set to a value (i.e., "Comstock doesn't come to exist"). And, in the end, that brought Booker's consciousness, which was having trouble surviving with all these convoluted infinite universes, back into a single universe, one where Anna was never given away, because there was no Comstock to give her to. Yes?

    Regarding the nosebleeds: fictional universes such as the TV Show "Lost" have used nosebleeds to signify that someone's brain was sort of unstuck in time and unable to anchor on something. Every time there's a nosebleed for a character in Bioshock Infinite, that character is usually having trouble anchoring to a specific universe in the multiverse and is being assaulted with multiple memories. The solution is to center on (or manufacture) memories so that you can stay in one universe at a time.

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  22. Serious question here: In regards to Elizabeth and the Lutece twins, though the Columbia continuity has been nullified, is it possible that they still exist outside of time even though the events that facilitated the change in their state of being have been removed?

    Just had that thought because, 1. At the end of Infinite, could it be argued that Elizabeth could just exist outside of the timeline? Shes functionally omniscient at the end, possibly omnipotent too. There is always the ambiguity of the ending, in which we don't see one Elizabeth vanish. Maybe she still exists, in a manner similar to the Lutece Twins. Far-fetched, as honestly the explanation that her existence is negated as well would be a much cleaner ending. where would this final Elizabeth stay? In the endless Lighthouse-world where she dwells as some sorta guardian-of-the-timeline god-being? It is a bit of a stretch, but I am simply interested to see the implications of a multiverse in the storytelling of later games...intersections, if done tastefully, would be pretty entertaining stories.

    2. Secondly, the Lutece twins are described during the game as "scattered amongst the probability space." I am going to interpret this as, due to the sabotaging of the Lutece Tear contraption, they exist outside the timeline, in many, or maybe even all, possibilities simultaneously, in potentia...hence thier ability to manifest as they see fit. Only explanation I can find for the multiple instances where they are described as spread across different probabilities. They are essentially a perpetually nebulous existence, though they can focus and manifest. But are they "scattered" among only the timelines that correlate with their births or the events of Columbia? And as for the ending, which erases the Columbia branch and thus the events that caused their state, are they no longer this sort of existence? Just an interesting question, because how can the elimination of a branch of the timeline affect something that is, even if it is as a result of those events, existing independent of it? Though, like I mentioned before, the theory that they are confined to the Columbia series of alternate universes in which they, in some timeline gain their "powers", if you will, manifesting in only some related possibilities, not ALL possibilities, would explain that.

    Any guesses? Wanna hear some feedback.

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    1. My thoughts exactly. What can we be certain of regarding characters who are specifically shown to be unaffected by regular causality?

      It does seem like tear travellers can be erased by global changes though as the Elizabeths we see disappear at the end are just that: other versions of the girl who just like her escaped to the multiverse.
      So as I see it Liz and the Luteces did cease to exist as a result of Booker's death.

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    2. It also brings to thought the question if the loop can really be broken, because if Columbia never existed, then Elisabeth never existed, so she can't drown Booker to prevent Columbia from existing.

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  23. Thank you for a nice read, cleared up a little bit of the giant fucking pile of mess Infinite left me with!

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  24. I have an alternate explanation that would clear up 1 and a few other things. It's not proven, but I *think* it's consistent.

    At the end, you start going through doors and finding Elizabeth already on the other side. When this happens, you aren't following the same Booker, you're really following Elizabeth as she jumps between dimensions talking to different Bookers.

    It's counter intuitive, because you're seeing things from Booker's perspective. But really, you are playing as one Booker after another after another. She's keeping the conversation going with the "native" Booker in each time/dimension. You can only follow the conversation because of memory sharing with your other selves.

    When Elizabeth goes to the baptism, she really is going back in time, not just traversing memories. In my opinion this makes a lot more sense. Time travel through tears also explains why Booker and Comstock are different ages. After all, it seems like he went on a mission to "find the girl" very shortly after giving up Anna and Elizabeth is an adult.

    This would mean that, just after Booker gave up his baby, the Luteces manipulated him into going after Comstock in revenge for sabotaging them. If so, they probably were responsible for the lighthouse note and dead body.

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    1. The lighthouse note and the dead body were all projections in Booker's mind (it's explained already). Also Comstock is old and sick because of his experimentation with tears and traveling through them caused him to age more rapidly. He is also told to "find the girl" years later, not "very shortly after" as you describe it. You play as the "latest" Booker, not different ones, because at the end when he dies, that's the last one. There are no future ones after that. Sorry to go on like this.

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  25. The answer to "Why is Lady Comstock so angry at Elizabeth"

    1. Firstly that projection was influenced by how Elizabeth perceived her mother to be, an angry woman who locked her daughter in a tower.

    BUT there is also more basis for this anger:

    2. Lady Comstock believed Elizabeth to be a product of her husband's infidelity. Rather than blame her Prophet and saintly husband, she blames the female Lutece twin for seducing him. She then can't bring herself to deal with the child who is the embodiment of her jealously, insecurity, inadequacy (to conceive) and the betrayal, so she has her locked in the tower.

    3. Now that Comstock has an heir he doesn't really need Lady Comstock anymore and instead spends all of his time being the Prophet, studying Elizabeth and preparing for Booker's arrival. She is therefore jealous of this child who has "stolen her husband" and threatens to expose him.

    4. It is assumed that Lady Comstock found out, in death, that it was her husband who had her killed.

    All of this adds up to one very angry lady.

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  26. Wow lots of comments...ok so here's my two cents.

    1. Subtle point on your question 1, it's mentioned in the voxphones towards the end that the premature aging and sterility were a direct effect of being exposed to the machine on the Luteces.

    2. Concerning question 3, here is what I have pieced together. What broke the cycle was twofold. Old Liz claims that she never saw him again because "Songbird always stopped him." When she sends him back she completely bypasses Songbird. That was break point 1. The note she gave him for our Liz was break point 2 as it inspired Liz to call and control Songbird at the critical point when their last escape was in jeopardy. Old Liz intervening for the first time ever was the thing that finally broke the cycle.

    3. Question 6, why the Lady was so angry at Liz was really a simple but sad answer. She loved Comstock and hated the fact that this girl existed who was obviously no child of hers and an constant stark reminder of infidelity on her husband's part. Even after being told the truth she didn't want to believe it. She hated Liz because in her mind it didn't matter the child was innocent, the girl simply was not hers and was a horrible reminder of that every second.

    4. Question 11, well BOOKER wanted to do just that. The problem was by that point Liz was pissed off beyond belief, wanted to kill Comstock and even after they did that while this version of them could go on to be free, there were an infinite number of copies of themselves still imprisoned and she couldn't let them live their lives like that. After some convincing neither could he. Hence the need to "smother him in the cradle."

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    1. For your #3, this is also because the mother/siren seen is also a representation of how she saw her mother, but you are right as well.

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  28. I think Rapture is included at the end as just a wink/elbow nudge from the developers to players who played the original 2 bioshock games. For players new to the franchise with Infinite it's meant to entice them to go back and play them.

    It also could've been thrown in last minute as time on the game was running out. Perhaps a boss battle for songbird was planned but they simply ran out of time. Reusing assets from Bioshock would be an easy thing to do, while the deep ocean pressure was an easy way to dispatch song bird while not having to program in a complicated boss fight.

    Just my two cents..not everything in the game has to have a deep meaning.

    Brilliant blog!

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    1. I also don't think there is any deeper meaning to that visit to Rapture but whether or not this end was planned for Songbird from the beginning I liked it much better than a boss battle. Yes the creature serves as the antagonist for much of the game so a showdown would be in order but in the end it was no more free than the girl it protected and thus in my eyes the fitting end was for it to be put down by Liz in one of my favorite scenes of the game.

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  29. Regarding the whole "debt to Comstock" issue...it's really a non-issue. No where in the game was it EVER stated that the debt was owed to Comstock specifically. Every time you're in Booker's apartment there are booze bottles and gambling slips laying around everywhere. He didn't owe Comstock anything...he was just drowning in gambling debt.

    Once Comstock came up with his plan to find an alternate dimension version of himself that had a child, this particular version of Booker (newborn baby, dead mother, drowning in gambling debt) was the obvious choice. Comstock simply paid off his gambling debts in exchange for his daughter.

    Also, I don't know why you're so stuck on the "Elizabeth got SOME of her powers from the experiments" idea. No, that's just wrong. She got her abilities from existing in two dimensions simultaneously (the moment her finger was severed). That's it. This is clearly stated in the game. The experiments that Comstock ordered on her were to SUBDUE her powers (hence why they built the siphon) and to indoctrinate her in to Comstock's way of thinking so that she could eventually take over Columbia and take revenge on "The Union" for turning their backs on the "ideals" of the Founding Fathers (as illustrated in the scene where 90 year old Elizabeth is using Columbia to destroy 1980s New York).

    Otherwise...pretty decent analysis. Good work!

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    1. The question remains: where do the Luteces' "powers" come from then?

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    2. All of that is explained in the game as well. Originally they had no powers...well, other than their intelligence. One of the voxophones you find early on in the game is Rosalind talking about how, as a child, she envisioned meeting an alternate dimension version of herself. This is why she became a physicist, to work towards that goal. Eventually she discovered (through research and technology) how to communicate with an alternate dimension counterpart who was also trying to accomplish the same thing. At first they just communicated and later they actually learned how to open tears and Robert crossed over in to Rosalind's dimension.

      So at first they were opening tears strictly through the machinery they had created. Later Comstock decided that they should die. To accomplish this he sabotaged their machines. The result didn't exactly "kill" them however...it endowed them with powers somewhat similar to Elizabeth's. The difference is that they exist in a state of flux between the different dimensions. That's why they can continually pop in and out no matter what alternate reality Booker and Elizabeth find themselves in.

      This might be a bit of a plot contrivance for convenience's sake, but like I said, it was explained in the game if pay attention...

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    3. Let me reformulate: how did the machine's malfunction give the Luteces their powers?
      Is "scattered amongst the possibility space" meant literally here i.e. did the malfunction scatter their body parts between several dimensions? That would be coherent with Liz gaining her powers as a result of simultaneously existing in two worlds.

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    4. That's a possibility, yes. Are the particulars of it really that important? Like I said, it may be a bit of a plot contrivance that's light on explanation. This explanation seems plausible though...

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  30. First, great write-up, really excellent - forced me to rethink a lot of the game, and have some interesting, heated discussions with people. Thanks for doing it.

    However, there's one thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet, which I think is a deal breaker that I just can't explain...

    When Booker first dies (during gameplay), he acknowledges the fact that something odd just happened, why?

    I'm paraphrasing, but the first time the player dies and is respawned in the game Booker says something along in the lines of "What the hell‽".

    You have to think about what's just happened here, a man has died - he's not immortal and has no special means of coming back from the dead, and nothing is mentioned at all during the course of the game that would make you think otherwise. For all intents and purposes, he dies at that moment.

    What happens next? Booker doesn't respawn, that's right, the player start's controlling a Booker from a parallel universe in which an alternate decision was made moments before which resulted in this Booker not dying.
    This backs up the Lutece's in that it's not the first time Booker has tried, and failed, to save Elizabeth, there have been many before and there may be many after until all the decisions a Booker makes line up such that he can save Elizabeth. You, the player, are the reason why he's failed countless times before, from the decisions you've made.

    But this is where it gets weirder...From memory, I can't think of another game in which a mortal protagonist acknowledges the fact that they had died after they respawn. The developers had no reason to include an audio clip at that moment in time in which Booker realizes that something odd has just happened to him. If they had just not included one, the player would have perhaps thought nothing more of it, and perhaps not even realized what had actually just happened to their character. But including one, so it seems like you are playing the same iteration of Booker seems like a bizarre choice which isn't explained.

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    1. I can think of one game where you're aware that you've died and respawned ... that game is Prey.

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    2. Do yourself a favor... watch "Rosencrantz and Guidenstern Are Dead". There's an awful lot of crossover between that play/movie and this game title. One of the topics that they touch on is the dissolving of the "fourth wall" and characters coming to realize that their own existence is only as a character, rather than in "reality". There's also two "blended" characters, coin flips that always turn up heads, the issue of time-looping, and so on.

      I think that this awareness is another callout to R&G-A-D.

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  31. Why are people asking what if this or that happened before this person did something important. It is already explained about there being "constants." Meaning that Anna would always be kidnapped, Booker would always try to save her, and Comstock would always build Columbia. Booker being killed by the Songbird was a constant as well, but the future Elizabeth gave him the flute to control him, creating the new universe with more possibility. Also Booker receiving the flute is a variable that was just introduced because Booker has already tried (and died) many times to break the loop, but failed until future Anna gave him the flute.

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  32. What does the note with the cage drawing that Booker gives to young Elizabeth mean/symbolize?

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    1. The cage represents the sequence of musical notes (C A G E) that must be played to control Songbird.
      Or are you asking what the note means metaphorically?

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  33. I dont know if this makes any sense but when you die earlier in the game you restart in the office and open the door to where you left off and that means that one booker died and the luteces brought another booker over who made it to the same point and now has a chance to get further. The luteces hate comstock for trying to kill them, so now being betrayed and having the ability to go through tears (because comstock messed with their machine, and instead of killing them forced them into a plane of infinite existence, which is why they say they dont belong anywhere and in a recording you hear in a picture shop a man says they died but the next morning he seen them walking and disappeared) they are going to help booker recover elizabeth and when you finally reach elizabeth you are the first ever booker to do so and you know this because when you die from then on, instead of starting in the office, elizabeth stabs you with that needle saving you from near death still making you the only booker, and at the end of this when you kill comstock and get elizabeths powers back she sees everything in every lighthouse as if it was a movie and says every world is the frame work, and some things were constants and others were variables which the game is hoping that you will catch on to, and realize that booker getting elizabeth is a constant and the only real choices he makes are the few options your given throughout the game. And regardless of what option you choose booker will always go too save elizabeth. This game cant be really looked at as just a game but instead a movie or a novel, something with a story. And when you travel to the "beginning", booker doesnt chose to stay alive because in the end he really doesnt want to, he wishes to give elizabeth a better life as he constantly is telling her no one should ever have to go through what she did. So by letting all the other elizabeths from other worlds with the same framework and constants but different variables, come and drown him in the water he is like i said earlier resetting this scale to zero by leveling any other variable, constant or even framework. And now he has found a new beggining with no crazy revolutions or no tears or floating citys or no comstock meeting with the luteces (by the way were finally set free to death by booker killing himself because there was no machine or no floating city anymore), and now its just booker and anna living a simple plain life where booker is just a borderline homeless man but atleast has the daughter he would never have had. I think i covered most of it and if anyone wants to send any personel points (hopefully the blog writer) or just talk about the game or anything like that, please email me at badboykein@hotmail.com or @gmail.com. Thanks for listening and hopefully i helped someone, but dont be afraid to email me if you want to talk about the game.

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  34. We haven't seen the last of the Luteces.

    The role of the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Physics cannot be understated in the explanation of the Luteces and Elizabeth. The Luteces are understood to exist across the probability space after Fink's sabotage of their machine. Basically, think about it like this, if you were to look at a stick figure (or a cartoon-see "Flatland" as explained by Carl Sagan) you would be able to "see" time and space as it occurs for that character. You can see all things that have happened and will happened. To a 2-dimensional character you are omnipotent. The Luteces are the same way, but applied to our world; they exist outside of time and space. Logic does not apply to them so they are no longer reliant on any kind of flow chart or decision tree. In other words, Comstock is no longer relevant to their existence because they don't have to exist in his or any world. They are in that "limbo" state with the apparent ability to not just pick random lighthouses, but to pick and choose what worlds they appear in and when.

    Basically, the Luteces can exist in any, all, or no worlds, at any time, while maintaining consciousness of other worlds existing simultaneously. It stands to reason that they are still out there at the end of the game. The real question is whether or not the Elizabeth from the end of the game is on the same level as the Luteces, and what that could imply.

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    1. If what you're saying regarding the Luteces is correct then Liz must have been in a different state as we see alternate versions of her (which I assume are from other worlds where she was also freed from the syphon and slipped into the multiverse thus in the same state as "our" Liz) disappear in the end.

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  35. I think Booker never loops. The twins basically went through other alternate universes and help each version of Booker one at a time until they get it right. That's just what I thought while playing the game. Would that make more sense? Anyway thanks for the explanation. I thought it was sad ending. Didn't really understand the post credit. Now I am happier. Still kinda sad knowing "Elizabeth" won't be created.

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  36. I think that, while the story causes one to 'ponder' the concept of alternate realities (or universes or worlds or timelines, whatever you want to call it), all being 'equally valid' and 'happening at the same time', ultimately I think the authors are purposefully still retaining the idea that there's a 'real' reality. And in the 'real' world, Booker has taken the Baptism, Comstock has come into existence, Anna has been kidnapped and turned into Elizabeth, and the 'heathens below' are in eventual danger of being attacked by a future Columbia in which Elizabeth is the supreme ruler.

    I think the idea is that the Lutece's have invented a machine (and Elizabeth has come to have a power that mimics that of the machines, presumably by losing her finger the way she did) that allows alternate realities/timelines or whatnot to actually be CREATED.

    IOW, these 'realities' we see in the 'tears' do not 'really exist' outside of the tear paradigm. They are not 'real', IOW. I believe that the Booker Dewitt that you play as, his 'life/world' as we experience it ... is a 'false' reality, basically only 'existing' because of the tear machine.

    If you think about it, there's actually nothing to the Game-Bookers 'life' that we know to be factually certain that occurs after the baptism, aside from the very short timeframe where he's contacted by Lutece and gives up Anna, and then the events of the game.

    My take on the whole situation is that this is why he has no recollection of the Anna situation from 20 years earlier during the game events ... it's because he is actually NOT 'REAL' ... he has no memory of this stuff, because he's not an actual person living out an actual life.

    IOW, I believe Comstock and Columbia and Elizabeth are the 'real' outcome of his actual decision in real-life, to get baptized. The alternate version of Dewitt that we play as only exists in the paradigm of the 'tears'. He's essentially 'brought into existence', two separate times by means of the tears ... once when gives up Anna, and once 20 years later when the Lutece's send him on his 'present' journey to Columbia.

    Thus, if nobody is 'visiting' his timeline by means of the tear (or he's not been removed from it and put into the 'real world' like happens in the game), this Game-Booker simply doesn't exist in any meaningful sense. This is why there's nothing in the 'story' about what happens to him in the 20 years between, except things we can reasonably assume are him 'filling in memories where there are none' ... or things Lutece tells him (like the 20 years of depression explained at the end). Apart from that he has no 'life' to remember because he didn't exist in this 20 year interim. He is basically brought into existence by means of the tear process.

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  37. There is only one thing left i quite not understand. When Booker and Elizabeth went to Comstock, the Songbird took the girl and Booker went after her. Later in the house we hear a few pieces about how weeks or months passed in separate cases (in a voxophone doc tells that six months had passed already). How could that happen, as Booker went after the girl immediately? And why would be more cases like when Elizabeth grows old, or is freed by Booker?

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    1. Simple...that voxophone came from a reality where Booker was stopped by Songbird and never rescued Elizabeth. The six month time-frame wasn't really an important detail..it could have been three months, a year, whatever. The important thing is that we're hearing a conversation from a reality where Booker never rescued Elizabeth. Those realities, the ones where Booker was stopped by Songbird, lead to Elizabeth's will being broken, which, many years later, leads to elderly Elizabeth using Columbia to carry on Comstock's legacy to "reign fire" on his enemies in New York.

      That's why elderly Elizabeth gives Booker that note...it allows him to finally break that cycle...

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  38. Also (I'm same Unknown as teh post above :)), I wanted to add my thoughts about the ending.

    Obviously, Elizabeth actually drowning Booker prior to baptism means there is never any Elizabeth/Anna, hence an impossible 'paradox' would be created.

    Some people speculate that when this happens, that, since this is impossible, the 'universe' kinda reboots itself back to a time immediately before the paradox is created, and hence the last scene is a reflection of that occurrence. Booker gets another chance with Anna to do things 'right'.

    However the 'coloration' of that scene does suggest otherwise (i.e. that he's actually dead there), so it's really hard to say for sure.

    I think it was very clever of the writers to a) not show the very last Elizabeth disappearing before the screen went to black, and b) to not show us that Anna was actually back in her crib in the final scene. Either one of those things occurring would 'lead one to believe' in one specific 'theory' whereas not showing them leads to all manner of possibilities. Good mystery writing IMHO.

    One of the more interesting alternate theories I've seen (although I've added a few of my own thoughts to flush out what I've seen others say) is that, in reality, opportunity #123 to rid the world of Comstock and hence the Evil Elizabeth, the one we just played ... was actually a 'failure', i.e. we did NOT actually succeed in 'erasing' Comstock, and the final scene is just Booker going 'back to the drawing board' as it were.

    I suppose the logical 'justification' would be exactly what I mentioned above ... the paradox problem. This particular 'resolution', wherein the Elizabeth's drown Booker before the baptism, is simply one that *cannot* occur, therefore it *did* not. The Lutece's have to go back to the drawing board and try to come up with a resolution that doesn't directly involve her drowning Booker before she's even born, cause that's impossible.

    In this case, we would make the assumption that the 'real' Elizabeth did NOT disappear in that last frame ... she continues to exist, because at least 'one of them', must, in order to perform the act. And if even one continues to exist, then ... obviously, the situation was not avoided.

    In this case, I would explain the final scene as one wherein he only imagines hearing Anna crying, but in reality, he's already given her away, hence the sound of surprise in his voice ... obviously, also in this case, Anna is actually not in her crib.

    I really think that allowing for us to reach a speculation along these lines is *exactly* why they didn't show us the last Elizabeth disappearing, nor any *proof* of the existence of the baby in the final scene ... that's specifically done to leave open the possibility of the 'failure' of the whole operation. And further, for us to ponder the probability that the 'real' timeline ... cannot be changed by means of the Lutece's intervention. They'll just keep trying, but no matter what they do, it's not going to happen.

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    1. Only the booker who agreed to be baptized and thus become Comstock could be drowned, the booker who refused would never be drowned and so would always go back to having Anna. So Elizabeth would drown any booker who would consent to baptism resetting the timeline to a place where she could exist as Comstock could never be created. Booker never outside actually drowned only Comstock or what would become Comstock so the reall booker would always leave wounded knee unbaptised and go on to have Anna

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  39. wow, thanks for explaining this in detail! i sort of understood the ending, but you added things i missed.

    also, in regards to the question as to 'how did booker get out of the loop', didn't elderly Elizabeth explain to Booker, who said "I was always coming to save you" or something like that, reply, "Songbird always stopped you"? so, i guess, adding the fact that Songbird died got him out of the loop? Which was mainly due to Elizabeth's powers. So, really, without her powers Booker would have failed this time, as well.

    I guess my point is Booker escaped the loop because he fell into that other dimension and met elderly Elizabeth, who gave him the means to control Songbird. In every other reality, apparently, Booker fails to meet old Elizabeth. Thinking about it now, Elizabeth would have to have her powers in the realities within the loop because that's why Comstock created Songbird in the first place... (...?)

    Um...yeah! I just wanted to throw that out there and see if it was relevant or not. Thanks!

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  40. Not sure if this will help in anyway, but after finishing the game I reloaded the chapter in Rapture to have a look around. Looking out the window, there is a dead Big Daddy and a Little Sister crying over her in the passageway. Could this be some indication as to *when* Elizabeth and Booker are in Rapture?

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    1. This only indicates the general period in Rapture's history.
      I don't remember the details of the first game but from what I've read in other discussions the biggest clue are the entrance bathyspheres.

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    2. I noticed that as well. I viewed it as a reflection of the Elizabeth/Songbird relationship. Songbird (her "vengeful protector") had just died, and she comforted him in his last moments. And then, we have the Little Sister comforting the dying Big Daddy.

      Another constant perhaps?

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  41. I don't remember where I read this but when the twins were carrying Booker they said that the mind heals and replaces old memories with new ones. So my thought is everything leading up to Booker "coming to" in Columbia is all memories his mind invented to go along with rescuing Elizabeth. The lighthouse w/ the dead guy inside, the temple, the baptism none of it existed. Maybe they are allusions to what happened before Booker became baptized and turned into Comstock. The lighthouse being his "awakening" in becoming Comstock, the temple and shrines his establishing his reign in Columbia?! I don't know for sure just throwing this out there to see what sticks

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  42. Also what do you all think of this timeline? http://youtu.be/H-2OZ8kNHp8

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  43. I've read everything and there is only ONE thing I don't get. Comstock used the help of the twins in order to travel to his other universe so that he could tell himself to sell his daughter to him in exchange for clearing his name of all debts and sins so comstock can raise Anna to be his heir when he dies right? What I don't understand is, Booker goes with the twins to go to Columbia so he can bring this girl back to New York in order to clear his name of debt and sins. This would be the SECOND time he goes to clear his name. The twins tried to help Booker get his daughter back because comstock betrayed them but why is it that Booker does not remember already clearing his name?

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    1. I kind of assumed this:

      The booker we play is not a booker who gave his daughter away, but one who never had one (hence he doesn't remember the thing with the finger or having a daughter at all). So there are more then just 3 Bookers in the story (Vox Revolution leader Booker, Comstock Booker, Sold his daughter booker, sold his daughter Booker and maybe even more than those).

      These memories come back to him only when he is united with the Booker who had a daughter and their memories are fused.

      So the Booker without a daughter nevertheless ends up in debt though, but instead of being approached by Robert Lutece who offers to buy his daughter, he is instead approached by Robert Lutece who tells him to bring back "the girl".


      He then transports Booker through time, 20 years into the future, which would also explain why Comstock is so much older than you (although tear-exposure can explain that as well).

      It would also explain why in the scenes where Booker is in his home and Robert Lutece is at the door, he is always the same age.

      If it both happened and one time he gave away his daughter and 20 years later Robert Lutece showed back up again to tell him to get her back that would make it a bit weird since the scene is identical in every other regard.


      Problems with this:

      - This assumes the Luteces are able to travel through time and not just through space and multiverses. I suppose they can do this, since they seem to have seen everything happen several times now, but it's worth mentioning.

      - The Booker we play in Columbia mentions an Anna. This is weird if he never had a daughter, but also weird if he remembers his daughter then, but not later on, when he goes back to his home and sees the baby in the crib.

      Theory:
      Anna is not just the name of his daughter, but also the name of her mother or someone else, whom he named his daughter after. Let's assume mother.. if she died during childbirth, then it would not be that farfetched for Booker to name their daugther after her.

      In the Universe in which Booker has no daugther she might have died earlier, or left him because he's a drunken gamblin slob. Either way it would prevent him from having a daughter-Anna, but nevertheless leave him with an unpleasant memory of a person called Anna which he does not want to talk about.

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    2. The reason he doesn't remember having a daughter is because when he is brought to the next universe his mind creates memories to cope with being in a new dimension. Moreover his mind erases memories that conflict with the created memories and when these conflictions are brought to light the characters experience nosebleeds. Thus when booker is questioned about Elizabeth's finger he claims to not know but experiences a nose bleed because the memory from the other universe is coming to light. His mind created his world. Bringing Liz back to pay the debt was a creation of his mind to cope and make sense of the overwhelming amount of new sensory information his brain was taking in. The booker that does not become Comstock always has Anna this is a constant they talk about. The reason he mentions Anna is because his mind still remembers and it s easier to see for everyone in the unconscious mind. We are playing the boomer that gave his daughter away because there is only this booker and Comstock that can exist. It is a constant.

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  44. I haven't read every post, so I am not sure if someone mentioned it already, so I will ask and see if anyone has thought about it like I have. (And first let me say that when time/universe travel becomes relevant in a story; nothing else is relevant. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING is correct and incorrect. 5+2=39 is correct in a universe somewhere. This is why I am not a fan of time/universal travel storylines).

    That being said, it was a fun story to experience. Here was my thought: I would like to think that Raptor was created in another universe (either by Elizabeth or someone else) to make sure that the fires from above could never reach the city. Just wondering if anyone else's mind went there.

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  45. So, I think I've worked out why a single Elizabeth remains at the end and how Booker is able to exist in the timelines where he turned down the baptism.

    There's tons of timelines in which Booker accepts the baptism, right? Tons, and tons, and tons. And for every one in which that occurs, Elizabeth must take a version of Booker to that timeline and drown him. This is why we see multiple Elizabeths and Bookers running around at the end. Because Elizabeth is making a choice as to what lighthouse or timeline to take Booker to, a choice that has millions of potential outcomes, this creates the multiple Elizabeth and Bookers all over the place; each eliminating the Comstock timelines one by one.

    The Elizabeth we see remaining still exists because the specific timeline that created our playthrough's Comstock has not yet been altered. The Elizabeths that join in drowning Booker in that specific timeline, they were the Elizabeths that were created by the Comstock we prevented from existing. They had already taken their Booker to end a Comstock timeline, and had been waiting their in limbo for their timeline to meet its end.

    Because Elizabeth is only specifically eliminating the Comstock timelines, one by one by one, the timelines that create Booker still remain; albeit significantly altered.

    Eventually, when it is down to the last Elizabeth and the last Comstock altered Booker, they finish the process by eliminating the final Comstock timeline. All Booker timelines remain and exist with Anna, while everything from the other timelines including Elizabeth and Comstock cease to have ever been.


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  46. Hi
    First, thanks for the explanation.
    I just cleared the game and I have a few questions. I hope you (or someone else here) can answer them:
    1. When I was in Battleship Bay some woman came to Elizabeth and called her Annabelle. Any Idea who she was or how she knew that Annabelle is Elizabeth?
    2.What is with the Fink Brothers. How were they able to hear music through the tears or bring Songbird into this world? (Where did these tears come from?)

    PS.: I didn't get all the recordings in the game so maybe I missed something

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    1. Finks had the technology to open those tears, don't ask why, maybe from Lutece.
      I remember that woman in Battleship Bay, but I don't know how she looked like. Maybe, if u want to fantasize a bit, it is Anna's mother? I mean you know how it works with getting a baby? ;)
      I don't know but it would be cool.

      Ah, and the thing with the tears: They come from Lutece experimenting with this universe traveling thingy.

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    2. The lady who calls Elizabeth "Annabelle" is Esther Mailer. She is an undercover cop working for Comstock and this sentence is merely a recognition test.
      You then kill her and her men just after trying to buy a ticket for the airship.

      Source: http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Esther_Mailer

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  47. Something concerning the point in time at which Booker and Elizabeth visit rapture:

    We know this room from Bioshock 1. This is where Jack got his first plasmid, the electic thing and used it to open the door to that tunnel. The tunnel collapsed while he ran through.

    When Elizabeth and Booker come to rapture, the tunnel is already collapsed, as you can see through the glass.
    So this must be after Jack came through there.

    On the other hand, there is a little sister and a Big Daddy to be seen harvesting ADAM in one of the glass tunnels outside, but at least in the Good ending of Bioshock 1, Jack took the little sisters to the surface with him. I'm not certain what happened to them after the bad ending, but in Bioshock 2 they are still around, so I assume Jack leaves them there. (Or am I missing something?) We might just be in that room 5 minutes after Jack left it through the now collapsed tunnel, or ages later, so it doesn't matter that much.

    But we are definitely there after Jack came through, which means the genetical block on the bathyspheres should be in place already.



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    1. I don't think Jack rescued all the Little Sisters and even if he did the program was later restarted by Sofia Lamb.
      The genetic lock was lifted after the death of Andrew Ryan. Therefore although there is no agreement in the matter I believe Liz and Booker's visit to Rapture happens after the events of the original Bioshock.

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    2. Hm, I just assumed he would take all of them to the surface and not leave them behind if he wanted to be a good guy, but it's true that Lamb made her own girls either way.

      How do you know the lock was lifted after Andrews death?

      And as stated it definitely is after Jack got his first plasmid, since the tunnel is collapsed.

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    3. The talk page for bathyspheres on Bioshock Wiki provides two pieces of evidence:
      -the bad ending of Bioshock shows splicers arriving at surface in bathyspheres
      -an audio diary in Bioshock 2 describes Sammy Fletcher and his girlfriend Lizzy using a bathysphere in an attempt to escape Rapture

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  48. I think the reason why the loop ended is due to Elisabeth growing old and evil in one world (the one where she invades New York). Realizing this she brings Brooker to this world gives him the note for young Elisabeth and sends him one his way back in time to control Songbird using the melody C A G E. The note had a picture of a cage on it and Elizabeth figures this out.

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  49. so i only read like 3/4s of the comments so maybe this has already been said but...2 things:
    1- in regards to people saying that the luteces died with booker drowning/eliminating comstock - technically it wouldnt kill both of them, just the female version as she only existed in the universe with comstock. the male version is in existence with booker and anna and would still be around because his reality was the same until the female version made contact and was able to pull him through. he was still doing the same experiments and making the same progress because he was able to communicate back.
    2 - the more i think about it the more i hope they make a direct sequel to infinite and use booker and anna/liz. assuming that they do still have some memory of who they might have been or were (based on the once dead/now living acting weird) then they would still be the same ages as during the game (booker waits 20 years to go and get liz remember). i seriously hope for some plot hole or solution wherein the luteces (or lutece i guess) have need of something or whatever cause as far as character development and story goes this game was ridiculous and needs to be further expanded.

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  50. Wow, nice article. But I noticed in the Rapture scene, that the section where the plane tail crashed in, already has been destroyed(not sure if right, english is not my native language :D). This means that Jack MUST have arrived in Rapture BEFORE Booker and Elizabeth did. Well, it could be only a another dimension of Rapture, as you said. But if not...god...Ken Levine, what have you done? This is the most epic mindfuck of a movie(Well, Oblivion is also a nice mindfuck) or a game ever.

    Lets wait for the DLCs. Thanks for the article, pretty interesting!

    P.S. sorry for wrong english :P

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  51. I have enjoyed your write up and without going into detail, it is very thought provoking and has expanded my understanding of the ending of Bioshock Infinite. Thank you.

    P.S. I wanted to add the age thing for Comstock: Elizabeth is a teenager/young adult during the events of the game, so he appears older because it's been ~20 years since the point he abducted Anna. In the flashback, Comstock had darker hair and beard. I haven't read ALL of the comments, but I wasn't sure if this was addressed. If so, disregard.

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  52. On the subject of question 10: Slate seems to be trying to kill Booker for no "real" reason other than he's crazy. Slate refuses to tell Booker why he is doing this so maybe Slate does know that Booker is Comstock.

    Also do you think that when old Elizabeth says that Songbird always stops Booker she is alluding to the world repeating over and over?

    My last question is about the worlds that we travel through on Columbia.

    There are three of them, what becomes of those worlds? Do they turn out differently? Or does Booker just fail again with some minor changes?

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  53. Question:

    I still don't get, why Booker is in a loop.
    I mean, I know he is, because of the coin flip and stuff, but WHY?

    When he goes there, does not save Elizabeth and for example dies at the point where he draws the number 77. Why would he do this again? He couldn't because he is dead. You got one universe where u take the Booker, who didn't take the baptism and lives a normal live. If this Booker dies, he is not there anymore. Do they just take a Booker from a new universe or what? O.o

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  54. Appreciate this very much. You keep in mind that there is room for interpretation and you don't have every answer. You didn't so much write this to make you seem smarter because you got it and others didn't. You wrote these two articles with the intention of giving others the tools to interpret the end themselves. Very much appreciated.

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  55. hey for question 8, it is certain that the bathospheres can only be used by ryan and his crew because if you pay attention, there is a sign that states no one can use the bathospheres.

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  56. I've been told I'm wrong, but I still believe Broker's Debt was his sins.

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  57. I'm a little late to this discussion, but I think I can clear up some confusion about the multiverse and Bioshock Infinite's ending.

    As someone pointed out above, it's crucial to understand that all the different worlds/possible outcomes in the multiverse exist AT THE SAME TIME. They are not linear, meaning they are not created as Booker makes choices in another world. In these other worlds, Booker has already made that choice and is living in parallel time to all the other worlds.

    Think of each world/lighthouse as a picture. Let's say all these pictures are hung up on your wall, existing side-by-side. A picture cannot be changed. Even though people are going through life in these worlds, the events that happen in that particular world cannot be changed, it will just be repeating and repeating.

    So, in Bioshock Infinite, the fact that the Lucete twins made a tear and lured Booker into jumping into a different dimension and going to Columbia to save Elizabeth, I believe THAT IN ITSELF IS A WORLD. As in, in this world, Booker didn't really change dimensions because regardless of where the Lucete twins originally came from, once they were there, the picture was snapped and could not be changed. Therefore, in that world, Booker is stuck in an infinite loop of seemingly jumping dimensions (though still really in that same world) and trying to save Elizabeth. (I also believe this is why the game is called Bioshock Infinite ^_^) I'm not certain, but the best sense I could make of the story is I believe the Lucete twins don't have as much power in regards to tears. They can do some things and maybe open tears that already exist, but it doesn't seem they can fully interact with the surroundings of the different worlds the way Elizabeth can. Otherwise, why wouldn't they just try to get revenge on Comstock themselves? It seems the best they can do is observe things here and there, but in order to truly interact with the environment they need to go through Booker or Elizabeth to do it. (Throughout the game, they only interact with Booker or Elizabeth, nobody else in that world.) But Elizabeth, she can pull out flowers from the tears (like in one of the elevator scenes) and fully interact, which is what makes her so special. It seems Elizabeth has full control of jumping from universe to universe, creating tears, pulling things from one tear to another, etc. Which comes to my next point: If the different worlds are pictures, then Elizabeth--and only Elizabeth--is PHOTOSHOP.

    Yes, she's the one thing that can change the photos. She doesn't have to follow the rules of the multiverse like everyone else. She is special, she has photoshop abilities to change pictures. Therefore, I believe in the end when she takes Booker to "the picture"/world of when he is baptized, because she can actually interact with the world and not just observe--unlike the Lucete twins--she is able to successfully drown Booker before he turns into Comcast and change that picture/world forever. But because this is not really a true choice (since it was done only by Elizabeth's power, and not a true choice of life at the time, meaning Booker didn't decide to drown himself when he was there the first time), I don't believe new worlds were created because of this incident. I believe in the very end, the world where Bioshock Infinite takes place (the looped world) is now forever changed. Meaning, Anna is in the crib, but since Comcast died, the Lucete twins never come and lure Booker to try to save Elizabeth, and as a result that world, or picture, has been forever changed because of Elizabeth's photoshopping skills. I also think the other worlds where Comcast/Elizabeth exist didn't just disappear; the worlds are still there, only Comcast and Elizabeth and any events related to those characters have now been "photoshopped" out of the picture, leaving the remaining picture/world untouched.

    Of course, I could be totally wrong, but this is what makes sense to me :)

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    1. Elizabeth's power comes from being a multidimensional being since her finger was spliced. So there must be in fact at least two universes or dimensions at play

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  58. just wanted to point a few things out if they haven't been already~

    Lady Comstock screams things like HE WANTED YOU INSTEAD OF ME so her being angry could have been due to jealousy that he wanted the child and not his wife who he couldn't use for his purpose.

    another thing that could have come from rapture besides some of the tech are the vigors. Also since this happened much sooner then when rapture was created, Andrew and jack could have been related and part of Booker and Anna's family tree~

    The last Elizabeth DOES disappear which is represented as the screen blacking out right in sync with the others disappearing.

    and lastly, this games's Booker and Elizabeth could actually probably live in an alternate world just like Booker lived in Columbia's world. however, they would exist as they are and be fine, but all the other versions of themselves would still suffer 'especially Elizabeth' and Booker clearly states that he wants to do this to make up and stop what's happened to Elizabeth/Anna. There's also the people who have died and suffered because of what Elizabeth was doing and set in motion. This was the only way for Booker to make up for selling his daughter and cleansing his daughters hands of 'sin' so to speak.

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  59. Question: how does killing booker actually solve anything? Isn't that like going back in time and killing yourself, and I don't mean your past self but the version of you that went back in time. Since you're not really changing anything that happened on the past, how can you change the future?

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    1. With the power that Elizabeth aquired by breaking down the Ciphon she begins to understand and interfere in the other universes by time-space as Lutece did, so taking Booker to the moment of the baptism that created all events in Infinite and drowing him as the one man that probably would become Comstock, the pair of him from the other universe never loses or gives away Anna, so then they could live happy together.(T T)

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  60. i loosing the the trace again. if booker is drowned, right at the moment of his decision, shouldn't be both booker-alternatives be dead? no columbia-booker, no father-booker (anna is born after the decision not to be baptized).

    the after credts-scene proves otherwise, but why?

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    1. Booker dies as a version of future Comstock, the pair for that universe is the one that Booker do not accept the baptism and then have Anna. There are infinite universes related to Infinite events but they are ever in pair after the baptism choice.

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  61. Very nice article , and a lot of nice posts to go along with it. It has helped to resolve a few questions I had. Just a couple of things:

    1)There is a sign in Rapture on the way to the Bathysphere that states "Bathysphere Travel is Restricted". This means that in order for Booker and Elizabeth to use the Bathysphere one of them must somehow be connected to Ryan/Jack.

    2)I am also puzzled by the fact that the Luteces are not the same sex as that would be a chance not a choice. Any further insight on this matter would be appreciated.

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  62. I know this is an older post, but I just recently finished a game and I have a theory about the second question. At this point in the game, there was only the one Booker making the choice, and his choice was obviously to let the Elizabeths drown him. There was no other choice that he wanted to make, as he knew that only his death would prevent Anna's suffering. My theory is that there IS no alternate timeline where he didn't drown, as this wasn't a choice he wanted to make.

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  63. Finished the game today , loved it. Also loved your articles on the ending. My one question with it that hasn't been answered ( unless I've missed something ) Is this : As Elizabeth's tearing ability is , presumably , a conscious decision on her part , are universes created based on whether or not she opens a tear or not ? Not sure if it complicates matters or not I'm just genuinely interested

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  64. > Booker uses the Bathysphere

    Why is that? The whole respawn thing is totally fine with multiverse concept. You died this time in this universe, but there's a universe where you acted not the same in this situation (but absolutely identical prior to that point) and hence survive. So you (the player) just switched to that alternative universe.

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  65. Could it be that the drowning of DeWitt be part of the infinite circle.
    I think not.But still.

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  66. What if (An)na DeWitt and (An)drew Ryan are the same people in different universes? Like the Lutece "twins"?

    It would explain why Booker and Elizabeth can use the Bathysphere. It would also explain the time difference (Rapture being founded in 1946) - Columbia would be the utopian/dystopian city founded by the father, Rapture the one founded by the son/daughter.

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  67. Question: When Elizabeth and Booker change Universe to go in the one the Vox Populi revolted, where is the Elizatbeh of that Universe?
    I remember I found a Voxophone recorded by the Booker of that Universe saying that he decided to ally with the Vox Populi to be able to overthrow Comstock because he has taken Elizabteh to his mansion.
    But then we don't learn anything about that Elizabeth.. Does someone has any answers?

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    1. If I'm not mistaken that universe's Liz is still locked up since Booker dies before he's able to reach her.

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    2. So why Comstock isn't surprised at all to see Elizabeth in his airship near the end of the game? They didn't go back to their original universe if I remember correctly.

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    3. That's a very good question.
      That universe's Comstock captures Liz and expects Booker's arrival which means either that he is aware of the events of other universes which is unlikely since no other Comstock seems to be (except of course the universe which he captured Liz from) or that he doesn't know of his Booker's death and that his Liz somehow escaped on her own.

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    4. Yup I was actually expecting and looking forward to the encounter with the other Elizabeth since the "universe switch". I was a bit disappointed haha.
      Also, the whole songbird part becomes weird because he has to watch over two Elizabeths. Furthermore, it shouldn't have any emotional bond with this Elizabeth, since he knows "his" Liz is locked up in the tower/mansion (I don't think she can escape on her own, since she hasn't been able to do it in any other Universe, Booker is essential).
      Maybe she died (suicide? but she doesn't have a reason because she doesn't know anything about her condition since she hasn't met Booker) or maybe she is related to the old Liz, indeed it is unclear if Booker actually switches Universes while in the asylum, however the scene where Liz is tortured are heard trough tears..
      Well I don't know, but this part is weird lol and I can't find anybody who has pointed it out before.

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  68. What on Earth are "niggly bits?" And exactly what is a "pip?"

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  69. The biggest questions for me are

    1) Why were some people affected by the alternate selves dying? Why/how would they be affected when their counter parts from entirely different dimensions died?

    2) When booker was traveling through the asylum, and apparently to another dimension/time, what were the monsters that he encountered? I've encountered literally no explanation for this.

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    1. Regarding 2): they are in fact masked people. According to the wiki they've been brainwashed since childhood.

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  70. Just wanted to say thanks for the extensive explanation! I'm way to lazy to replay through that game and try to understand all that mindfu**ery.
    P.S.
    Sorry people are such turds, and want to become English professors when they went out and searched for help.

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  71. When you go through the tear there are signs in rapture that say the bathyspheres are off limits.

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  72. Look guys, the moral of the story is - Don't think that by getting Baptized into Religion, that will wipe away your sin/debt and make you a Good Person, because believing you are pure can help turn you into a Tyrannical mass murderer. Choose an honestly tarnished, shambolic life as a gambling drunkard and at least you'll be happy and keep your family.

    Story Query: What happened to Real Booker's wife / mother of Baby Anna?

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    1. Booker's wife (whom Anna/Liz is named after) died during childbirth.

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  73. Does anything different happen depending on what choker you pick for Elizabeth? I picked the bird one but what if I had picked the cage one?

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  74. best answer to the 3rd question should be how did it start.

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  75. I cant understand WHY Booker became evil , if there is not a explanation then the randomness is correct not the possibility. A Universe is created for all facts that will ever be . The act of baptism would be enough to change his mind completely? I dont have a religion myself but i believe that the power of Booker's faith by letting the priest complete the ritual is not what made him a bad person to be Comstock. Why is Comstock an evil man? Beacuse he stole his Elizabeth from another universe? Beacuse Booker accpeted baptism? There cant be a reason other then randomness.

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    1. Is he evil beacuse he is racist or beacuse he accepted the ways of the civilization he created? Is he not evil at all?

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    2. I believe this is never explained in the game.
      My two cents: The major difference between Booker and Comstock is that the latter believed baptism absolved him of his sins. I'm sure Booker's guilt alone could explain how different his moral system was from Comstock's.

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  76. I just finished this game and looked up Mr. Kyle's explanation and read this Q&A. I thought I had all my questions answered, but then I became quite confused. Where does his timeline loop? I know it must (as the coin flip proves it), but am quite confused as to where. If he's been there 100 times, rescued Elizabeth 100 times, how has he not drowned himself yet? Did he fail to rescue her 99 times? Or is there something I'm missing in the explantation? I'm clear that in every universe where Comstock exists, he will ALWAYS interfere with Booker. This is one of the constants that Elizbeth is talking about. A set point in time and space. But say Booker fails 99 times. What then? Why does he loop back? Why does he start ov-. Wait. Is it 99 times that he's been in this loop, or is it 99 Bookers who have failed with random happenstance allowing the one we play as to succeed? I'd greatly appreciate help in untangling my thoughts. Multidimensional space-time travel is a bit convuluted.

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    1. The Songbird always stopped Booker. This is explained by old Elizabeth if I remember correctly. The way I understand it the Booker we play is the first to be given the note allowing him the control the Songbird.

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    2. So if Songbird always stopped him, how does it loop? That's where I'm the most confused. Ok, so he dies, Elizabeth becomes what Comstock wanted, the end. So where is the magic space time thing saving booker and looping him back?

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  77. rapture was created 34 years after Columbia, so when Elizabeth and booker entered rapture, did they travel to the future, meaning that his baptism was in the future, before anything happening? I know I explained it badly, but hope you understand it.

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    1. Rapture part is in the future, but his Babtism is not.

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  78. If comstock never existed, what happens to the lutece twins? Do they still in the time vortex or whatever, or do they never even meet?

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  79. So, this thread is massive, and I have not read it in its entirety, but I would like to point something out that I believe has yet to be covered. A lot of people are arguing over the exact moment when the cycle of Booker attempting to rescue Elizabeth and not succeeding is broken; many say it is when an older Elizabeth shows Booker the scene of New York burning, and sends him away with a note for the younger Elizabeth. If we're to accept this theory however, then how can we explain Booker's vision of the burning city at the very beginning of the game? Wouldn't this vision mean that he had been to that point before, that it was just another part of the yet unbroken loop, and his memory of it had been pulled from other universes?

    I'd love to know what people think, maybe I'm missing something quite obvious, but I figured I'd put this out for the sake of conversation.

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    1. The Elizabeth we talk to as an older lady had a Booker of her own who failed to save her and saw the world burn as a result (if he survived). I believe those are the memories of that Booker.

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  80. I'm coming to this really really late. I just finished the game. Just figured I'd help with the story.

    The story is a paradox. Booker and Anna move from one reality to another, causing a chain link through time. Killing Booker at any timelines severs one link which collapses the paradox. Think about it, the alternative would be Anna would have to kill Booker in every reality to complete this and that's not a very elegant story. If you kill Booker at the exact time of his rebirth (or not) you sever the link and all the links collapse, because one timeline is dependent on the previous, etc.

    Also, the reason why all the Anna's disappear at the end and we don't see if the final Anna/Elizabeth disappearing is to keep us guessing. Did they succeed or didn't they? If she does then it worked. If she doesn't disappear that means they didn't break the paradoxical loop because this Anna still exists. Pretty straight forward. I think it's the writers bit of style to not spell it all out for you. It only makes sense logically that it worked since they all started to disappear unravelling the chain. And yes the baby is in the crib at the end.

    The only story that doesn't work for me is the leap of Booker transforming to Comstock after baptism. We could assume there's so much story between past and future that he changes radically and goes crazy. It doesn't play well for me; I would have liked a small storyline included to bridge that gap. Maybe they'll do that in a DLC. Sure, I understand calling Comstock "The Profit" and Booker "The False Sheppard" shows a relationship, kind of like a polar opposites. I think it was pretty cool alluding to that right from the beginning of the game.

    And lastly, there's no reason why Rapture and Columbia can't coexist in the same reality. As you already pointed-out, Columbia precedes Rapture by a few decades. Anna's ability to rip holes in time showing the future throughout the game is a cool way for the writers to mash old-timey turn of the century song styles with modern-day music like the Beach Boys, Cindy Lauper, and REM. And it allows them to remind everyone how great the first Bioshock series was because they love it and we all love it too. :-)

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  81. I just randomly hit this article because of an argument with friends, but I would like to point out that your theory on how alternate universes are created actually quite nicely handles why there wouldn't be any other realities where Booker chooses to live and become Comstock after Elizabeth kills him, because it wasn't a choice for her to kill him. It was the only possibility.

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  82. I don´t know if anyone else pointed it out, but the reazon Elizabeth´s mother was mad at her is because she thought Comstock cheated on her with Lutece and Elizabeth was the result. It´s explained on those voice thingys I think :)

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  83. For your 2nd theory , the one that is truly despisable :) , I have a theory myself . If I can recall correctly , Booker draw the power to become the evil comstock , only because he thought that he was washed from all his sins and that he was a free man . The booker who did not accept baptism remembers the sins of his past . He declined baptism for that reason , thinking that he can not be forgiven and chose to live his life knowing that fact . Therefore it is impossible for a world to be created that Booker became Comstock without being baptised .

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  84. Thank you so much for all of this! Cleared up a lot!

    One concern that I have though.

    This might have been answered already, but I'm unsure.

    In the scene after the credits, I never actually heard Anna cry. Was the crying implied, or was it in his head or something? Or is it some sort of "Inception" 'confusion', even though we all know that she's actually there.

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  86. Just to complete the multi-verse theory: there is an infinite number of worlds with an infinite amount of different outcomes. Just to give an example: there is a world where Booker doesn't exist, because his parents haven't met and so on. But the worlds the game takes in account are the ones with certain constants, like Booker is at the baptism, but only the variables divide them, Booker accepts/doesn't accept the baptism. (I know, you all know that already).

    So all the 8 Elizabeths that are at the end (including our Elizabeth) must come from worlds in which same events happened but with different outcomes, that means the world where Comstock dies from chocking on a pip is not represented here because in all other worlds Booker has a confrontation with Comstock, or is it? Can one of the other 7 Elizabeths be from a world where this event happens? This only depends on if the confrontation, or meeting is a constant. We know that baptism is a constant, Comstock building Columbia/Booker meeting Mrs. DeWitt is a constant, abduction of Anna (by any means) is a constant, Bookers arrival into another world through a tear is a constant. But we don’t know other constants simply because we don’t know what happened in the other worlds.

    But why they're in a limbo? And why can they only relive the memories. Time travel should be possible, if they can get into Rapture which is in the future, and Jeremiah Fink and his brother copied things like music and weaponry from the future, and that Booker took Elizabeths note from the future back to the "present" (present kinda loses its meaning, because he went into the future and back, its still time traveling backwards). You may say that it was another universe, fine, so why couldn't Booker return to the place of the baptism where Comstock was reborn, it wasn't his universe he came from another one. Or did he die in the universe of Comstock, and then just returned to his universe? And would that sacrifice affect all the worlds where Comstock was reborn? Also isn’t Elizabeth time traveling if she (them) can drown Booker? And why do other Elizabeths appear? Is it a crossroads between worlds, like you know where the worlds directly collide and are not unified just by this constant? And how many worlds are there if there are 122 coin flips?
    There may be one simple answer, there are only 8 worlds (16 in total if you count that one world has a Booker the other has a Comstock) with the same constants, that allow for 8 Elizabeths to appeal.

    The drowning might be just in Bookers head, there are no Elizabeths, or how could they be if he can only relive his memories? He was creating new memories from the old ones…

    Otherwise Bioshock its now one of my favourite single player games, the story is great by no means, but it certainly has its limits. Thankfully they're not important, but its nice to think about all the outcomes. I’m definetly going to play the DLCs‘, maybe there are more clues :)

    P.S. I must say I've never enjoyed a shooter this much on a console (got it on PS+), but I'm going to rebuy it PC, so I have the true FPS experience :)

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  87. I'm sure someone already explained this at length somewhere along all these plentiful comments to your post (which was great and written in such an easy going language, you're awesome!) but I'll explain here again why lady Comstock was actually MAD at Elizabeth and basically everyone else: Since father Comstock spent a lot of his time experimenting the tears with the Luteces, lady Comstock always had a suspicion about her husband's loyalty to her... And then one day, vuwala! He turns up with a baby out of nowhere, after spending so much time with that Lutece bitch in her lab. Hell If I were lady Comstock I'd also have a hard time believing all that tear bullshit. And that's that :) I also think that's actually verified by one of the voxophones in the game where lady Comstock talks.

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